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Posted by: et ® 2000/09/18, 13:03:41 Author Profile |
that the press in this country is intentionally biased against the Russians. I do not agree that this is correct - although I *do* agree that most reporters (and the news media in general) are ignorant and *incompetent*. Whether we agree or disagree about the reason for errors in information that appears in the news media here, I think that you might be interested in the attached link to a story that appeared today on the *front page* of the Los Angeles Times. For those who are not familiar with the L.A. Times, it is considered one of the half-dozen most important newspapers in the U.S. It has the largest number of subscribers of any newspaper in the Western U.S. and stories prepared by its staff are often reprinted in newspapers in other cities. With best wishes,
Related link: Kidnapping is a business in Chechnya
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Posted by: RUSSO ® 2000/09/19, 12:39:38 Author Profile |
1. On one non-biased material I can bring you thousands of biased. 2. Materials on Russian events and Russian people 90% pictured here in "black colours" even if they are objective (like just you referred). However, when it comes to American allies or friendly countries, information is much more balanced and PC. Just loook what they say about Mexico. But I was here, it is unbelievably poor, corrupted and unsafe country. I just recently compare two travel reports on "Lonely Planet" (a relatively objective source because they promote tourism and are supported by travelling agencies) about Turkey and Russia. Well.. it is deiferent story for analysis, but those who visited Turkey would understand what I am talking about. 3. If something is good or interesting, it is usually regarding non-ethnic Russian events. You may say that opening of a Jewish Center (only one in Eastern Europe, and one of the largest in the World) it is a big event, and I would probably agree with you. However, is there any Russian center is being opened in Ukraine, where about 18 M ethnic Russians not to mention Rusian - Ukranian mixed families live? And if it was, would any American or cnanadia paper report on it, I doubt. I think, it is all a residue of Cold War mentality, "an average American" (not you of course, as well as many others on THIS board) would not feel comfortable hearing something good related to those terrible, imperalistic, and shawinistic Russians. It won't make people like Scott or that ambicele who wants to be incognito comfortable at all, while any report about Russian problems "dushu greet" [makes them feel good]: "Told ya, they are animals, we cannot trust them, they are decaying" etc. I think, people in "Time", CNN, and other media understand that well, and they stay tuned to what their audience want to hear. Just a recent example, Mr. Putin gave pretty much clever interview to Larry King. "Time" magazine that I believe is affiliated with CNN, put his mouth in own a*s, did not mention anything after that. And how they would if just before the visit, they put pretty negative materials about him, his intentions, and situation in the country (which is now not so bad as they portrayed). One day I recieved 3 free 2-month trials of "Time", "U.S. News and World Report", and "Newsweek". I think you would agree that those 3 big guys comprise majority of anlaytical information "average Americans" use as a source of information on foreign politics. Though those magazines have pretty distinctive opinions about domestic politics (Time is libeal, USNWP is more conservative), I DID NOT find any difference between them when it comes to Russia, or, say, Yugoslavia, they are all twins. This is a reflection of Puritanic digital mentality, which now is shared by liberals also, "there are good guys, and there are bad guys", and nothing is between them. A recent episode in "Friends" Joe came to a laundry and was denied to put his potrait to the wall because a Russian owner said "Because you, Americans, always portray us as terorists and villans" is very common, Tom. But as understand, the producer cannot leave it alone, so Joe seduced a Chinese wife of this Russian guy. Of course, those males are so unattractive and rude. Have you ever seen a scenario when an American girl fallen in love with a simple Russian guy from spetsnaz, like those who portayed in "Brat -2"? I doubt so, but even if you have, then he probaly was a dissdent or revolotuionare who has been opressed by terrible KGB (like, say, Ivan Draga). Now I got a new entertainment: I find a free internet or visa-card provider, which also offers a free trial of "Time" magazine. Right before I am just about to recieve the last free issue, I call to the subscription department and ask them to cancell. When they ask why, I reply "I don't wanna have anything with your liberalistis, Rusophobic BS!", and immediately hear "Good by, sir, have a nice day"- "Thanks, you too"- I reply very politely. I did it three times, and amazingly enough, it works, nobody's bothered to check my record in their computers. As somone correctly pointed out, untill Russian diaspora has a strong community of people WHO VOTE, everything will remain the same. In France, for example, they are not very friendly to ANY foreigner, and it is prety tolearble because everybody is in the same position. Here, we have good nations, and not so good nations, that is the problem. RUSSO
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Posted by: et ® 2000/09/20, 02:28:48 Author Profile |
that I was saying that this article - by itself - balances previous pro-Chechen articles in the news media, then I did not write clearly. My intent was only to point out that there *are* articles appearing which are negative about the Chechens. Does this make the total coverage of the situation in Chechnya completely "balanced"? In my opinion it does not - but that is another subject than the one which I was intending to address when I posted that link to the article from the Los Angeles Times. With best wishes,
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Posted by: Carol ® 2000/09/18, 19:13:11 Author Profile |
the bit we know about. The author said: "The kidnappers have been known to mutilate their captives, even children, severing their ears or fingers. Gangs have sent videotaped recordings of mutilations and beheadings to relatives to terrify them into finding the ransom. Russian authorities have used the gruesome videos to feed anti-Chechen sentiment and boost public support for Moscow's latest war in the separatist republic." We know that that video was taken at the end of the first Chechen war--implying that it is more recent was incorrect. |
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Posted by: et ® 2000/09/18, 20:17:46 Author Profile |
I am not questioning your statement that the video shown on Russian TV is not recent - I have no knowledge whether this is correct or is false. Where I do feel you are in error is when you state that the article in the L.A. Times implied that the video was filmed recently. In my reading of the article, there is no implication of when the video was taken, only the statement that it has been used to generate public support for the the current war in Chechnya - which I believe is a true statement. I think that you read more into the article than is actually there. With best wishes,
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Posted by: RUSSO ® 2000/09/19, 12:55:48 Author Profile |
They say "Russian authorities have used the gruesome videos to feed anti-Chechen sentiment and boost public support for Moscow's latest war in the separatist republic." You say "only the statement that it has been used to generate public support for the the current war in Chechnya - which I believe is a true statement". See the difference YOU as presumably a supporter (in general) of Russian actions, and THEM, who MUST crtitisize Russian even when portraying Chechen atrocities, presented information. So called "anti-Chechen sentiments" is liberalistic BS Carol and other so love to repeat thousand times. If Russians'd hated Chechens as a nation, they would have started already pogroms in Moscow and other Russian cities where MAJORITY of Chechens now live. I would if I had power, probably, but in this case I am not the majority of Russain people, Cossacks are different from this point of view from others.
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Posted by: et ® 2000/09/20, 02:18:06 Author Profile |
when you say that there is no "anti-Chechen sentiment" among Russians? If the very strong language which *you* have used here against the Chechens is not "anti-Chechen sentiment", I would like to know what you *do* call it. Note that I am not saying that your feelings are unjustified - just that I personally would describe the feelings you have expressed here as definitely "anti-Chechen". It is possible that you attach a different meaning or interpretation to that phrase. However, I think that the interpretation that I - and everyone I know - would give to that phrase (as normally used in English) is a meaning that matches well with what I have seen of the opinions among Russians about Chechens. With best wishes,
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Posted by: Carol ® 2000/09/19, 14:20:29 Author Profile |
at the idea that there are no 'anti-Chechen' sentiments in Russia. Oh Russo, that's a good one. |
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Posted by: et ® 2000/09/19, 00:06:50 Author Profile |
that I have no way of knowing the age of the video that has been shown of Russian TV to generate support for the war in Chechnya. When I got home this evening I had the time to read the complete article, which I was not able to do before I left for work this morning. According to the article in the L.A. Times, that man was kidnapped in October 1998 along with four other men, one of whose experiences in captivity were also detailed in the article. Therefore, this was not an incident from the era of the previous conflict in Chechnya. Of course, this assumes that the article in the Los Angeles Times is accurate and unbiased. :-) With best wishes,
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Posted by: Carol ® 2000/09/19, 08:01:20 Author Profile |
I am clearly rushing too much, since that's twice I've grabbed a bit of an article and ran, where I would have been much better off reading the whole thing through. I need to find the source that discussed the videos being shown in Russia as being linked to the ChW1. I thought the videos at the time showed young soldiers--where as this refers to him as being 53. Let me see what I can find.
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Posted by: Carol ® 2000/09/19, 08:13:03 Author Profile |
I did find a comment in an article about the beheading videos shown and reshown in Russia as being from 1996 Sept. 29, 1999 "The video, apparently taken by fighters in the breakaway republic of Chechnya three years ago, was contained in a report about how the footage is being used to muster Russian political support for the conflict" http://www.apbnews.com/media/mediawatch/1999/09/29/cnn0929_01.html But looking for that, I found other examples of beheadings, and videos of beheadings from 1998--so I take back what I said about trying to mis-state how recent things have been done. |
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Posted by: Dimitri 2000/09/19, 08:58:25 |
why don't you going to Chechnya to become an advocate of these murderers? Is 96 is far too late for a such crime anyway? Not enough of russian pain to western "russian friend"? Have all your ugly Chechnya we don't need it! |
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Posted by: RUSSO ® 2000/09/19, 13:06:42 Author Profile |
Let's all those murderers and sadists she defends so passionately to immigrate to USA as they allowed those Kosovars, and let's INS put them to be HER neighbours. Chechenia is OUR land, Cossacks and generations of other non-Chechnes made what is now Northern and central Chechnya flourished. Restoration of Cossack patrolling and settlements is one of the solution, not suprizingly Chechens fear it much and recently ambushed and killed 3 Cossack authorities in a norhtern "peacified" district Kizlyar (which had never actually been a Chechen territory before Khruschev gave them as "moral compenstaion" for Stalin's actions). Ne za eto my krov' prolivali, gospodin Dmitri. Including myself. RUSSO |
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Posted by: Dimitri 2000/09/19, 15:12:56 |
more throughly. First of all, there's no doubt that northern Chechnya should be kept under russian jurisdiction under any circumstances. Second, continuation of atrocities from both sides, would only cause more and more hatred and the only way to stop it violently is to destroy the whole population, which is not justifable under any circumstance. Third, the military losses are continuing. Fourth, from geopolitical point of view Chechnya has became less of importance because we don't have good relations with Georgia anymore, I believe that North Caucasus campaign was primarily important due to need to support and incorporate into Russian Empire our Southern Caucasus allies, Georgia and Armeina (correct me if I am wrong), which are independent now. But I am really worrying about neighbouring North Caucasus republics that they are also under influence of muslim extremism. Chechnya alone maybe yet not so dangerous as the whole united extremist state of North Caucasus. I have no easy answer. But, when it comes to choose from a peaceful and violent way I'd prefer first one, unless there's really major drawback in it. Please excuse me if my thoughts has offended your feelings, I really didn't meant to. I hope to hear your opinion. Is it safe to put life of cossaks and their families under risk of being attacked by extremists when they'll settle in Chechnya? Would they actually agree to settle there? Would the government allow them to do so? Good luck, Dimitri |
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Posted by: RUSSO ® 2000/09/19, 17:14:44 Author Profile |
traditioanlly, to battle enemy (fundamental Islamism) on far frontiers [na dal'nih podstupah] is an inseparble part of the Cossack mentality, they consider it as the one of the main reason great protectors of Russia such as Ilia Muromets had given to them. It is so deep in our hearts that I quitted pretty succesfull university education and volunteerely went to fight "basurmanov" in Afghanistan (another story that I was wounded (lighltly, fortunately), and got back to school). I believe, Cossacks would love to settle back to our "iskonnye zemli" if they were given right to bear arms on the same level Chechen bandits have, not only nagajka and AK-47. Terek Cossacks had lived with Chechens for generations, and they respected Cossacks (please, take time to read "Kazaki" by Lev Tolstoy). About casualties mounted - a long time operation is the only way (except total extermination you mentioned) we can handle any rebellion war in mountains, especially against such robust and warlike nation. They will be exhausted. Defenetely, it should be provided by professionals, well paid spetsnaz, as Cossacks were before 1917. Please, read Ermolov biography and his way to do it. Kavkazian people are not long runners, if West will not support them with those stupid allegations, we eventually smoke them out of their caves. Actually, majority of Chechens already understoood that war is lost, many start collaborate, and they are now prime targets of extremeists and wahhabits whose hands are in blood. Only I am afraid about is a new amnesty for those who left in mountains. We would give them only rest for next war. Total submission and public execution of leaders who is responsable for that war and those who organiazed end executed bomb blasts is the only right thing to deal with them, chto-by drugim ne povadno bylo. To leave them alone exactly means to surrender, and nothing else would incourage other Kavkazian extremists like that. We cannot have a wasp nest in our underbelly. Relationship with Georgia: Shevardnazde is not immortal, Armenia IS our ally, we have our intetersts in Azerbajan and Iran as well. No way, it would weaken our positions there. Only demonstartion of force and victory over the most populous and militarized nation in North Kavkaz would give us ability not to loose all Southern Russia at all. Otdash' palets, otkusyat ruku (domino principle) - think about millions of Russians living in that region. About myself - I already fought and they told not too bad ("Krasnaya Zvezda"). I am supporting Cossack movement finacially, my sons are eager to go to Cossack camps next year, etc. And if I am not "na dal'nih podstupah" then where? Regards,
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Posted by: Dimitri 2000/09/19, 17:48:33 |
thanks for such explanatory answer. The thing I am affraid of, even if will be able to suppress separatist movements, as Ermolov did (I haven't read his biography but I've heard quite a lot on his policy), who can be sure the next generations won't attempt new rebellion in the future; I remember also reading about three (!) wars bolsheviks has with them between the revolution and WWII (NKVD commander Uborevich); well-known rebellion during the WWII; and the less-known unrests of late 50's... Sometimes I am starting to think, if their wish to succeed is that strong, should we prevent it? But don't let me wrong, I am completely on your side when it comes to defense of russian population of Caucasus. And other your points, about "give them the finger, they'll eat the whole arm" and about geopolitical values are very very serious. But I am still in doubt - because I don't like all these horrible things that happen over there :-( Also, you're very correctly said that government is affraid to give powerful weapons to cossaks.. Dimitri |
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Posted by: RUSSO ® 2000/09/19, 18:38:21 Author Profile |
also very solid and has to be taken to consideration. It is like herpes virus I mentioned in my another post. It is sitting on a penis, hiding somewhere (particualrly, in affectory nerves which are responsible for sensing of touching) and seems doing nothing, but when organism is weakened, it stirkes again and again, and pretty much painfully (people said, I believe them) in the least appropriate moment, often in vacations ;-). But that no way means that we have to cut the balls and izhe s nimi, right? We will see how Putin will handle it. RUSSO P.S. Sorry, my jokes often look oftensive and rude, black humour is prevailed sometimes. A combination of a Bilogist of Reproduction, Cossack and Afghan vet makes someties pretty specific cocktail. |
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Posted by: Dimitri 2000/09/20, 15:22:58 |
but you guessed right that there are some things that scare me away from biology (I don't like experiments on animals, otherwise it's really interesting science) and especially from medicine. I really hope that someday biology will bring a new level knowledge to medicine, so it will be more like repair of electronics. The question is, can human fully understand the complexity of it's own organizm? |
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Posted by: RUSSO ® 2000/09/20, 17:49:54 Author Profile |
"electron tak zhe neischerpaem kak atom" which means we won't able to obtain absolute knowledge about anything. However, high level of knowledge which allows us to manage or control some things is achievable. I think, repair body parts you mentioned will be widely available in the 22th century. Actually, we have already some, such as teeth, hands, legs. They are not maybe 100% fit, we cannot feel "holod v pal'tsah", but they execute their main functions. I saw a guy who's climbed highest mountains without lower part of his leg, and after 5 years, he is doing no much worse as he did before. We have artificial cardial pumps, etc. This is one direction. Another way is so called Tissue Engineering that is manufacturing so called grafts, where cells are built in artificial matrices imittating natural architecture. Some companies produce such semi-artificial skin, bones, cartelige, etc. I will give you a link, so you can brouse what kind of work I am inderectly involved (we are collaborating in matter of long term preservation of their products) http://www.advancedtissue.com/ just click "Products" and "Technology" after an introduction picture is finished. Third way is cloning of cell cultures, tissues and organs. This is more distant, but doable perspective. We are witnesses for emerging of this approach. My rozhdeny, chtob skazku sdelat' pylju -;) RUSSO
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Posted by: Dimitri 2000/09/21, 16:37:16 |
some day you'll be able to build a cyborg :-) Jokes aside, I imagine it's really cool for medical purposes to grew up artifical organs from little amount of cells! Sounds like artifical regeneration. But, my thought was more philosophical - is it possible for some subject to completely rebuild itself without external assistance, recursively. Especially I am in doubt when it comes to brain and soul. To me it feels that to understand the concepts behind one's brain completely someone should have a superior brain. But I might be wrong. |
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Posted by: Carol ® 2000/09/19, 15:18:24 Author Profile |
I think Chechnya is still as important since it has 150 km of oil pipelings, and has (had?) a major oil hub in Grozny. Until a pipeline is created that can get to the Oil in the new reserve found in the Caspian sea that bi-passes Chechnya altogether, I think it will still be considered geopolitically important. |
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Posted by: Dimitri 2000/09/19, 17:06:51 |
the war is too high price for oil, especially because we have a lot of our own one. Or, I just refuse to believe that humans are that bad. Think positively! It's not my nature but I am trying. Dimitri |
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Posted by: Carol ® 2000/09/19, 14:18:12 Author Profile |
This is Russo speak for: 'doesn't think they should be indiscriminately killed.' |
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Posted by: Carol ® 2000/09/19, 09:15:25 Author Profile |
1996 was the end of a very brutal war, where atrocities were committed on both sides. I actually do think that a beheading filmed during peacetime is worse than a beheading filmed during a war. Russian troops have been doing some of their own beheading. I assume that you plan on finding and prosecuting the soldiers guilty for that. |
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Posted by: Dimitri 2000/09/19, 15:31:54 |
let me apologize for questioning your status of russian friend. I've been under influence of the horrible facts. Even though I don't agree with your angle of view on chechen problems, certainly it wouldn't be good idea to show hostility towards person who's been interested in Russia and russian culture. There's major lack of western peoples who are willing to understand our point of view. You said in another post that basically this board doesn't quite differ from other (CNN for example), not much besides bashing of two sides - russian and western one. But I hope that this board is actually quite different - I hope we can break the stereotypes and egoism of the sides and understand (not just contradict) other point of view, maybe actually correct (doesn't mean to completely change) our views if there's really strong and rational agrument from another side. I understand your major interest of building independent chechen state but we should be fair if we are going to cooperate. I don't ask you to defend our side's wrongdoings, but please don't advocate and don't underrate chechen crimes. Otherwise we can't trust you and this will make the situation over there only worse. Russian crimes don't excuse chechen ones and vice versa. Please be more objective. We'll try too. Then, perhaps the more persons will realise and try. Another example, you might say that global ground operation was non-balanced answer - there are some pro's and contra's I could think of (it would take too long to discuss), but saying that we should sit hopelessly and do nothing about terror (continue useless talks with Moskhadov) is not acceptable. Dimitri |
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Posted by: Dimitri 2000/09/18, 15:04:38 |
and a tear comparing to the ocean of the pro-Chechen propaganda in western media; but what's the most important - intentional backing of Chechen side by western governments, not just by media. It's a part of your fault that this war is so ruthless - Chechen murderers (note I don't say that the majority of them are, just some of them) feel your support. |
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Posted by: Carol ® 2000/09/18, 15:46:24 Author Profile |
I've read a lot of things saying that the Chechen people don't deserve to be killed like dogs and that Russians should use some compassion. Please show me the articles talking about how nice they are, those would be propoganda, but I've never seen those. I've seen the ones talking about old ladies getting shot and 10 year olds being rounded up, but from what I've heard, that's true. |
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Posted by: Dimitri 2000/09/18, 16:07:02 |
comitted atrocities while not saying that other one has done them too, and that happened even earlier than the first one is already enough to be considered as obvious bias and clear pro-one-side propaganda. I was reading a lot of articles on Chechnya in western media, and in wast majority of cases it was like that. Perhaps if you would clearly explain to Moskhadov that if he wouldn't get rid of medieval atrocities, there will be no single word of support for chechen independency from the west, they wouldn't feel they can freely do anything ugly. You even easily forgive them murder Red Cross medics and british and new-zealand workers. If you miss my point, I am not trying to justify that our side has never done anything wrong in this war, just can't understand how come that democratic west can be so cruel sometimes. Dimitri |
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Posted by: Dimitri 2000/09/18, 16:43:37 |
enough of that already peoples are worse than we hope. |
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Posted by: Carol ® 2000/09/18, 13:27:34 Author Profile |
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/updates/lat_crimes000917.htm |
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from CNN. You seem to plug them a lot:-) Billy.
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Posted by: Carol ® 2000/09/18, 18:11:28 Author Profile |
I'll be bored with it soon enough, though. The SOB's closed the Kursk site, and all that's left is a bunch of bickering (unlike our site...?). |
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Posted by: Incognito ® 2000/09/18, 14:45:41 Author Profile |
One more prove that real enemy of humanity in the world is Russia and Russians. Their national slave and barbaric mentality is well reflected in their history. They like only drink vodka and fight. They believe that they have a right to conquer and annihilate other nations. All other nations must enjoy living with these PIGS. Let 'em fight. Let 'em die. Their days are numbered. In this case Russians are the ones who will be exterminated because of their stupidity and animosity. They get what they deserve! Sooner or later Rushka will be defeated once and for all!!! |
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Posted by: Evil Croco ® 2000/09/18, 19:42:10 Author Profile |
Now I know people who know people who know you. Personally. I also know that you are a retard, but at some point I still might go and see you in person, so I suggest you speak pollitely or keep your barking to yourself. Did you get my drift?
Have a nice day!!! )))))))
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Posted by: billy ® 2000/09/18, 17:15:00 Author Profile |
It is we, the Scottish who claim that right! We drink whisky until it comes out of our ears and we are always taking on the world. We are a strong and proud nation with chips the size oil tankers on our shoulders. We have a massive heart, liver and kidney disease rate and our alcoholism and drugs incidence are on hte increase. RUSHKA! you have not a clue what you are talking about. WE will easily annihilate ourselves before them. And may the world be damned. B.T.W what grade are you in! Billy. |
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Posted by: kate ® 2000/09/18, 16:45:46 Author Profile |
shut up. We are discussing real meaningful things here. We don't want some hating person bashing everything Russian. You want to participate than do it like an intelligent human being. Who wants to listen to shallow hollow hating individual? You have something real to say? Than do so. Enough of hatred and junk accusations. We all know your position. You don't have to beat a dead horse. We know that you hate Russia and everything about it. If this is the only thing you want to say than you have fulfilled your goal. Leave now. If you want to discuss things about Russia than stay and do it at least pretending that you have some interesting thoughts. Good luck, Kate. |
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Posted by: RUSSO ® 2000/09/19, 13:18:32 Author Profile |
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Posted by: et ® 2000/09/18, 18:25:54 Author Profile |
his nonsense and replying to it. People like "Incognito" and "toyman" come to a forum like this only so that they can vent their hatred on other people and enjoy the reaction. If you ignore their nonsense and do not respond, they will not have the satisfaction of believing that they have caused other people pain. Without this satisfaction, they will soon leave. Do you remember how quickly "USA Superiority" left when we started to ignore his hate messages? If Michelle had not asked me to be a moderator and watch the forum during the hours she is not available, I would not bother to read the garbage these characters post. I also have a general policy of not responding to their messages, although I violated that policy when I posted a comment to "billy" last week and then responded to "toyman" when he posted a note to me about my comment to "billy". With best wishes,
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Posted by: Meow 2000/09/19, 21:30:10 |
to your opinion. Just wonder why intelligent people like Kate, Olga, and the others kept responding to the thing calling itself "toyman" and that other retard. Frankly, I left this forum because of these creatures; their virtual pollution was causing an instant desire to take a hot shower with powerful disinfectant and wash my poor laptot with Lysol :) Hopefully, now one of them is gone for good and the other one will follow if ignored :) Regards
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Posted by: Olga ® 2000/09/20, 01:36:36 Author Profile |
we keep contradicting some people.
There was a cowboy, who traveled through the desert and suddenly saw some object on the sand. It was a very hot day and he thought that he saw gold. However, upon approaching he discovered it was plain sh...t. So he walked away in disappointment, but after a few miles he suddenly thought: "Wait a minute! May be, just may be it was gold." So he went back just to find the same old sh..t. This process was repeated several times, until finally he kneeled down and started to smash this sh..t all over his face saying "govno eto, govno" ("it is a sh...t, just a sh..t"). Olga
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Posted by: Anya ® 2000/09/20, 06:46:53 Author Profile |
of something I heard in allanon years ago that stuck with me: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting to get different results. |
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Posted by: RUSSO ® 2000/09/20, 12:21:01 Author Profile |
particularly, Quantum Mechanics, it is no such define things as velocity (V), or coordinate, position of the object (x) measured at the same time, we have the uncertainity relation: 1) d(V)*d(x) ~ h, where d(V) and d(x) are the uncertainities in determination of speed and location respectively, and h is the Plank constant, which is very small but is not equal exact 0 (h = 6.63*10^(-34) J*sec from my best recollection). So saying if you do not move now (d(V) = 0) and at the same time, you are sitting at the computer chair (d(x) =0) is impossible. Another result of Quantum Mechanics is that any object of any mass is at the same time a wave (corpuscular-wave dualism). The length of this wave can be determined as follows 2) L = h/(m*c), where L is the wavelength, m is the mass of the object, and c is the speed of light in vaccum (3*10^8 m/sec). So you can easily calculate your own wavelength (use kilograms, but not those stupid pounds). Combination of (1) and (2) means that you at certain extend (as well as anybody) is a wave which has no certain position but somehow smashed around the place where you are located. At any moment of time you are "distributed" around a certain average position which can be obtained by intergation of your position whatever you go (drink cofee, chat with colleagues, argue with stupid boss, etc) at the period of you working time. So, nothing is CERTAIN in this world, everything is only a probability; for example, if I am calling at your phone number, it is a probability (and pretty low, I must say) to catch you at certian time, and as more accurate I'd like o estimate this time, is lesser probaility I'd catch you because you are "smashed" over a certain volume of space-time continuum. Let's aplly it to the Olga's example: assume that pile of sh*t has a mass Ms, so it has certain wavelenght Ls. Thus, when the cowboy saw that piece of..matter, he could not exactly assume the place when it was located at the time when he glanced at that location, not to mention to determine whether it was sh*t (Sh) or gold (Au). To determine what was that more accurately, he had to decrease uncertainity of the location (and the nature of that matter), which could be achieved by two basic ways (see formulas): 1. To increase the mass of the Sh. Presumably, he did not want to do it for some reason, so he chosen another way: 2. To increase the wavelenght, making this piece of matter more smashed over the certain place (in this case it was his face). Thus, decreasing uncertainity of the situation, our cowboy did right thing. Because evrything is probailty, doing such operation, say 1000 times (come back, smash, go away, back-smash-go away, etc), he would have been able with certian probability not equal 0 (Bayes' law) to achieve the result that in 999 cases would have been Sh, but in 1 case would have been Au! A ty govorish' insane, insane.. However, according to Olga, he did it only one time, while scientific strategy would have been as described above (that we all do all our life) Morale: Never give up, dear! Quantum Mechanics is on our site.
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Posted by: Olga ® 2000/09/20, 15:52:11 Author Profile |
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Posted by: James ® 2000/09/18, 14:59:17 Author Profile |
Incognito, Man is made in God's image. All of us are unworthy in God's eyes, due to our shortcomings. Was Tolstoy an animal? Was Tchaikovsky? Was Pushkin? If Russia is returning to God, to again become Holy Russia; then Russia will be the Almighty's to do with as he pleases. I don't think its right to generalize a whole people, for all of us are precious to the Almighty. To dehumanize a whole nation as "worse than animals" is worse than arrogance, it's playing GOD....leave it alone. James |
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Posted by: Incognito ® 2000/09/18, 16:02:32 Author Profile |
First of all, I am agnostic. God is worth almost nothing in my eyes. Do not forget that Russians try to exterminate Chechens under the name of God. A lot of Chechens fight for the independence under the God's name as well. Each side proclaims "God is with us". My motto is "If God is with us, so who is against us?" Now your mistake. Not me but you are the one who makes incorrect generalization. You take the Russian geniuses for the past few centuries and imply that all Russians are like they. Sure, there are good and decent Russian people! I lived there for 24 years. I know. I am not talking about those few who know and understand the problems of Russia and Russians. I am talking about overwhelming majority who constitutes the Russian people – barbaric stupid animals. I have never hated them more than I hate them now!!! The reason for that is when I lived in the Evil Empire I had thought that the problem of Russians in brainwashing. But that is wrong. They are mentally deficient. No more brainwashing (at least there had been none prior to the election) but they are as herd of animals as they have always been! |
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Posted by: James ® 2000/09/18, 16:20:43 Author Profile |
tell us a little about yourself. I don't know your past, or the reason for your hatred. I'll reserve comment, until the time I know a little more about you.
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Posted by: Anya ® 2000/09/18, 15:32:49 Author Profile |
"worse than animals". as if that's an insult. personally, I think that an animal would be insulted by the phrase "worse than a humans". Besides the obvious biological error in the phrase (after all, humans ARE animals, biologically speaking, so the phrase makes no sense), it seems that the whole idea that humans are somehow inherrantly better than other animals is, well, how should I put this.. anthropocentric I guess. Certainly we humans have done more harm to this world than any other species (well, OK, so the first bacteria that produced oxygen as a byproduct of metabolism pretty much eliminated the entire anaerobic ecosystem, but since then I think you'd be hard pressed to find another species capable of such harm--and I doubt they did it conciously--or even have much of a conciousness). now, James, I think that by responding to those looser you are just throwing gasoline on his fire. I simply refuse to read anything he or toyman write. they are two sides of the same coin, and don't deserve your attention. Your breath is wasted, and you get nowhere. all arguing with him does is prove to him that someone is actually paying attention to him. I wish we still had the little counters next to posts to see how many "views" the post had--then perhaps these people would see how few "views" they get and give it up. I know that if I actually am tempted to read a post by someone like that, I almost always end up responding--even though I know it's pointless. so now I just make a point of not even reading. When you respond to hatered (even if your own response is kind), it just breeds more hatered. |
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