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Posted by: toyman ® 2000/09/16, 18:10:59 Author Profile |
Yeah they do not want us to see the damage to their sub. MOSCOW, Sep 16, 2000 -- (Reuters) Russia's Itar-Tass news agency said on Saturday the United States had refused a Russian request to examine two of its submarines that were in the Barents Sea when the nuclear-powered Kursk sank last month. In a dispatch from Washington, Tass quoted a Pentagon spokesman as saying that U.S. Defence Secretary William Cohen had turned down the request from his Russian opposite number Igor Sergeyev. "William Cohen already gave Marshal Sergeyev a reply in which he explained that he did not feel it was necessary or appropriate to allow such an inspection to take place," Tass quoted the spokesman as saying. No one was available at Russia's Defence Ministry to comment on the report or confirm that such a request had been made. Russian investigations into two explosions which preceded the sinking of the Kursk during maneuvers in the Barents Sea have suggested a number of possible scenarios. These include collision with another submarine or a World War Two mine, an explosion on board or the impact from a missile fired from another vessel. The United States and Britain have ruled out collisions with their vessels in the area at the time. The Russian cabinet minister heading the government's inquiry, Deputy Prime Minister Ilya Klebanov, defended official handling of the disaster in parliament on Friday. He said errors in providing information during rescue efforts was not deliberate, but statements made "in the heat of the moment without enough analysis". The commander of Russia's Northern Fleet told Russian reporters in the northern port of Murmansk on Saturday that the navy had told no lies in dealing with the sinking. "Not a single lie was told by the navy and top officers during the active phase of rescue efforts," Tass quoted Admiral Vyacheslav Popov as saying. Popov said hypotheses had been raised which later proved false. But everything had been done to help save the 118 seamen. The navy initially said rescuers were in contact with the crew and that tapping was heard from the vessel. But officials now say nearly all the crew died in the immediate aftermath of the accident and there was never any contact with them. FLEET COMMANDER SAYS NAVY HOPED UNTIL THE LAST "As a submarine specialist I knew that no one could have been alive even on the day following such a disaster," Tass quoted Popov as saying. "But we wanted to believe that someone might have survived. And we kept on with the (rescue) work." A Russian mini-sub is to travel to the site of the accident next week and work to recover the bodies of the seamen is to start next month. A debate has been launched on whether to raise the submarine itself next year. Private NTV television showed the wife of the submarine's commander, Irina Lyachina, arriving in the southern Russian city of Kursk, after which the vessel was named, to discuss offers by local authorities to re-house relatives of the dead. Russian media drew attention after the disaster to the living conditions of impoverished families of submarine crews in a closed town near Murmansk. "First, we have to pay decent salaries instead of the miserable ones they get now," Kursk regional governor and former Russian Vice-President Alexander Rutskoi told NTV. "A trolley bus driver in Kursk gets more than a submarine commander. This is dreadful. And you don't think our political leaders know this? Of course they do." |
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| 'cause there is no damage except in a sick mind of Russian Defence Minister | |||
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Posted by: Incognito ® 2000/09/18, 12:16:20 Author Profile |
Do you know the official version of the fire in Ostankin Tower? Because it collided with another tower. Obviously, a foreign one. |
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| for parents: free flight for children ages 8- 17 (EAA's Young Eagles program) | |||
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Posted by: Michelle ® 2000/09/16, 08:56:38 Author Profile |
I thought that the other parents on the forum might find this interesting, too. This is from the Experimental Aircraft Association's website at http://www.youngeagles.com/
EAA wants to offer everyone between the ages of ages 8 and 17 an opportunity to fly in a private airplane with a qualified pilot. It's safe. It's fun. It's free. And it's fantastic!
So, if you're ready to share the skies with the likes of the Wright brothers, Charles Lindbergh, Amelia Earhart and Neil Armstrong, then come on board, buckle up and let your spirits soar with the Young Eagles!
Step One:
As long as you're between the ages of 8 and 17, you can be an EAA Young Eagle just like that! Not only will you fly for free, you'll also receive an official Young Eagle certificate AND your name will be entered in the World's Largest Logbook! So, what are you waiting for?
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Posted by: kate ® 2000/09/16, 20:28:09 Author Profile |
I know I don't qualify for a free flight :o) but if I were I wouldn't take it because I am terribly afraid of flying. Since childhood I flew everywhere with my parents (my mom worked for a construction company that built airports in Russia and she had free Aeroflot tickets all the time). When we flew somewhere I would crawl on the seat between my mom and Dad and just die from fear that the plane would crash. I once met a girl who believed in past lives and I told her that I had seen a dream once where a plane had crashed and I saw many dead people. Terribly horrible scenes. I was not on that plane in my dream. I just happened to see how it crashed. My dream was so full of details I can not tell you! So this girl told me that perhaps this is how I dyed in my past life and this is why this fear still lives in me. Do you think it is possible? Do you believe in past lives? Kate. |
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Posted by: Olga ® 2000/09/17, 02:49:44 Author Profile |
When I was about 5 years old I had a dream in which I actually saw my father died. It was a very childish dream, because I saw both of us walking, then someone threw a stone in his back, he fell and I remember staying at him and he was saying that from now on I would take walks with my grandma. My father actually died of heart attack, when I was 6 years old and there was an involvement of a very bad person that affected him in a bad way before he died. When I was 20 years old I had met a guy in Moscow and we became friends. I met his mom once. In a year I had a dream that I was a witness of their conversation and she actually was saying goodby to him, she was sad. He called me the next day saying that his mom was diagnosed with cancer. She died in a few months. As far as life after life. I think it is true. Moreover, I sometimes think that life repeats itself, because I had a couple of situations, when I felt it already happened to me and I even knew, what will be next. Olga |
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Posted by: kate ® 2000/09/17, 08:11:03 Author Profile |
"when I felt it already happened to me and I even knew, what will be next" I feel the same way sometimes. I think that we see something in our dreams but than forget when we wake up. Later when it happens in life we retrieve the information from our passive memory and feel as if it already happened to us but actually we saw it in a dream. Weird. I just woke up and I am still not completely awake so my thoughts are not clear..
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Posted by: billy ® 2000/09/17, 06:20:21 Author Profile |
somewere that sometimes the brain registers images twice sometimes and that is how we think we can remember this from the past. I HATE flying. I have to travel to my work on a helicopter and in my sector since 1985 we have lost 55 lives in a Chinook crash, 17 I think in a helicopter crash at the Cormarant A and I'm afraid I can't remember how many died in a crash at the Brent Spar. There have also been other crashes were no-one has been killed and also other fatalities in the Norge sector. Helicopters are better than planes though because if the engines fail you just float down and land softly, unless both pilots have been incapacitated by food poisoning or fell out the door etc. However planes are better than helicopters because you can get drink on them which makes the flight bareable. I hear you can also join something called the 'mile high club' but due to restricted office space they only let two members join at any one time. I have a nice 7 or 10 hours flight to look at in a few weeks time with my wife and all my children. I am sure it will be a pleasant and uplifting experience. Billy. |
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Posted by: kate ® 2000/09/17, 08:17:08 Author Profile |
it is safer to fly a plane than to drive a car. He says at least there are not so many airplanes around your plane when it flies (and most of the time no planes around at all). Why does our brain register things twice? What for? Does nature knows that we all have bad memory? :o) Kate. |
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Posted by: billy ® 2000/09/17, 10:23:20 Author Profile |
have you seen the spacing between aircraft when they are taking off and landing? There was a brilliant documentry on here about New Yorks air traffic control and one bit showed the tower controler of one of the airports. It wasn't JFK and it seemed to be beside a river. Anyway it had two run ways which crossed each other, one for take off, one for landings. Just as one was about to touch down on one runway he would start the take off on the other runway and they missed each other in the middle by about 12 seconds. This went on all day, with foreign pilots etc all involved. Once in the air they joined all the traffic from the other airports controlled by a few controllers (who were extremely stressed out, one said that after a shift he went home and just sat in front of his equarium for two hours) until you get into open skys. B.T.W Were is Newark. |
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Posted by: elaine 2000/09/17, 16:34:26 |
There are 3 "metropolitan" airports for NYC, JFK, LaGuardia and Newark. |
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