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Posted by: Olga ® 2000/08/29, 00:54:27 Author Profile |
Why would the firemen use the elevator during the fire?! As far as I know, elevator are not to use in case of fire that is why every building has fire exits - stairs. If someone trapped on the top floor and stairs are on fire, it is still not wise to try elevator. First I thought they were trying to get that girl out, but today on news one of the firemen said they were trying actually to get somewhere using the elevator "to complete the operational task". And there was no comments about it, like it is supposed to be this way. Olga |
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Posted by: Carol ® 2000/08/29, 07:08:56 Author Profile |
but they say it was a senior fire official and a building guy with equipment--I bet they were a bit older, and had bulky equipment to get up--and just kept looking at all of those stairs to the former 'highest structure in the world.....' It's too bad though. Why couldn't the electricity have gone off when they were still near the bottom and away from smoke. |
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Posted by: Olga ® 2000/08/29, 14:16:01 Author Profile |
the elevator lost control and was moving up without electrical force, but because of the ballast or something? In any case it is ridiculous. And why in the world these "professionals" needed a girl to take them up? I had read that she was very young and two days prior she just got married. Olga |
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Posted by: kate ® 2000/08/30, 10:40:09 Author Profile |
extracted from www.mail.ru
------------------- Причина пожара на Останкинской телебашне выявлена Основной причиной пожара на Останкинской телебашне стало сочетание таких факторов, как погоня за деньгами руководства башни, технические просчеты в устройстве данного сооружения и бюрократические промедления в принятии важных решений. Об этом заявил сегодня начальник Управления государственной противопожарной службы ГУВД Москвы Леонид Коротчик. По его словам, кабельно-фидерное хозяйство телебашни было сильно перегружено, в результате чего произошел перегрев кабельных жил, из-за чего, собственно, и загорелась обмотка кабелей. Л.Коротчик указал также на то, что проектом Останкинской телебашни не было предусмотрено перекрытий-рассекателей на этажах, в результате чего капающий и горящий полиэтилен обмотки очень быстро заполнил практически всю кабельную шахту, что привело к пожару практически на всей высоте башни. Кроме того, начальник УГПС сообщил, что напряжение кабелей Останкинской башни было снято только спустя три часа после начала пожара. По словам Л.Коротчика, он обратился к вице-мэру столицы Валерию Шанцеву с тем, чтобы тот позвонил мэру Москвы Юрию Лужкову. Мэр, в свою очередь, обратился к президенту России Владимиру Путину, чтобы глава государства дал команду на отключение электропитания на башне. В результате телебашня была обесточена только в 18:10 по московскому времени, отметил Л.Коротчик. --modified by kate at Wed, Aug 30, 2000, 10:41:04 Modified by at Wed, Aug 30, 2000, 10:41:07 |
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Posted by: RUSSO ® 2000/08/28, 20:26:03 Author Profile |
that link about cavitational torpedo. Those two guys from a Dagestan reserach institiute, what they did abord the Kursk, he? RUSSO |
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Posted by: Scott ® 2000/08/28, 15:21:44 Author Profile |
As in Britain, anyone in the US can run for elected office, excepting people convicted of serious crimes. All a person needs to do is go to their department of elections and register as a candidate. For more prominent offices, such as congress or governors, there is often a requirement of collecting a couple of thousand signatures of registered voters who sign a statement saying they support a person's candidacy. I suppose this is a way of weeding out the candidates who would only gather a few hundred votes in a real election. The perception that the ability to purchase advertising in newspapers and TV is critical to being elected is absolutely correct. For most people, this means they must be affiliated with a political party in order to get the necessary financial backing. There are laws limiting how much people can donate directly to a particular candidate or political party, but these are easily avoided. There are what are known as Political Action Committees (PACs). PACs are independent organizations, and not controlled by any particular candidate or political party. They can collect as much money as they want, and purchase advertising supporting or suppressing any candidate or political issue that they want. There is continual talk from some in the US of campaign-finance reform, which not only do I think is futile, but is a "slap in the face" to the US Constitution. The last time I read the US Constitution, I was under the impression that I had broad protections regarding freedom of expression and association. Supposedly, I can speak in favor of issues that are important to me, and disseminate that information without governmental restriction. Supposedly, I can associate with people I like, for whatever reasons, including political. And me and my friends can (and should be able to) freely express our collective opinion about anything we want, without governmental interference. The only way in America to have what is known as "true campaign-finance reform" by its proponents, is to alter the US Constitution. I completely oppose that. The implication of your posting is that Europeans believe that they, unlike the US, have a system that allows "a relatively poor independent" to get elected, which would not happen in the US. Without even knowing your campaign finance rules, I have complete faith that your politicians have managed to circumvent your rules (as our PACs in the US did), and that big-money backing is an extremely important part in your elections as well. People confuse equal opportunity with equal results. In the US, any non-criminal can independently run for elected office. In case you are not aware, there are several US presidential candidates this year still in the running besides Bush and Gore. To *successfully* run, a candidate needs to have spent years cultivating contacts with people and organizations, thus gathering sufficient forces to advocate his or her candidacy and generate public awareness. This is exactly what a politician needs to do in order to successfully pass legislation when they actually are elected to and become part of the government - be able to build consensus and persuade people to a cause. Why you Europeans would want to slant the system to favor politically-incompetent people to be elected to office is beyond me.
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