You are right you would not recieve the wheel then the door etc when buying a car.  You want to drive the thing you are buying.    With training, you can't absorb all of the movement at one time. It needs to be passed out accordingly.  This is not a hard concept to understand.  If you are making a monthly payment, why cant you get movement on a monthly basis.  Also, youa re assuming that it is only movement you are paying for.  if so, this is incorrect.  If a student is unable to pick up large amounts of movement, then why try to push it down their throat.  The intructors balance this by spending more time with the student rather than giving movement.

Frank. I had several instructors (head instructor, Regional head instructor) tell me verbatim when trying to get me to sign up for black belt training "You are paying for movement." My whole point was I was getting LESS time with instructors, once international training was rolled out. I also had instructors withhold movement until they got payment, or use the promise of passing more movement as an incentive to PAY EARLY. I'm not the one making it all about money. Oom Yung Doe was.

I had instructors push me to test earlier than I felt ready for. Why? Well, because everything else was centered around when I was paying, it was obvious to me that it was about getting my testing fees.

The fact is, Frank, the vast majority of Martial arts schools teach as much as you can hold for a flat fee. In those schools, your advancement is left to your own dedication. It's up to you. You're not held back by your instructor. If you can point to a specific formula you use to determine how much movement to ration out based on monies paid, Show it. Otherwise, please forgive me if I find your argument specious.

You feel your quality of instruction went down.  That is unfortunate. I have spoken with students who stayed on the National Prpogram and felt the training was less than the International level.  I asked them what were they expecting?  The level they received was the National level, not the International Level and there would be a difference.  They would be learning according to the course curriculum.  There was an upgrade to the training.

The international level training was cooked up in 2001. It seemed like you guys made it up as you went along. You're right, you were credited for money spent on the national system. But, you  had to shell out $1500 to switch, plus up to an additional $600 (depending on section rank) to be "brought up to speed" in the new system. Plus, the percentage breakdown of where the  money went shifted from the local school, to much more going to OYD, Inc. I'm sorry, I just had had enough. The constant sales pitches, and then the very clear signal that folks on the national system were now chopped liver compared to those who stepped up to International training. Let me ask you this, since it was OYD's intent to phase out the National system by end of 2002 anyway, why not switch everyone over to the new system en masse? As  you obviously believe it's better, why not just change the way you teach  accross the board, rolling existing contracts into the new system? Instead, you got people to pony up a huge down payement, and then pay you to switch to their equivalent rankings in the new system. As the system was designed in 01, you could have phased it in in such a way that would be less of a financial strain on the student body. Instead, you went for the greenbacks. In my opinion, it seemed like the folks who got in trouble with the government before, decided they were done laying low, and started to exert more control over what the local schools were doing, and funnel more dollars to the national organization. This had an immediate financial impact on the local schools and several schools in Florida and Massachussets left the system over it.

What is unfrortunate Robert, is that you were so focused on money you missed the point of the upgrade.

What is truly unfortunate, Frank, is that I spent thousands of dollars on a system run by convicted fellons, who made it clear they were more interested in my wallet than in my development.

When I look at the difference, it is less expensive to be on the International level than the National Level. in addition, you get more training.

I'm glad you see the value there. That's probably why you still work for them.

I don't know what happened to you and your training. I am sorry if things did not work out for you. 

Well, I did learn the true meaning of Caveat Emptor. I will never blindly give money to an institution again before thouroughly checking it out.

I do not agree with many of you statements on this site.  They are, IMO over exaggerated and way out of proportion. 

That's fine, Frank, it's a free country. I also do not agree with many of your statements either. I can see why you would have a vested interest in sticking to the party line the way you do.