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Posted by: Robert Hamburger ® 02/15/2003, 21:34:45 Author Profile Mail author [ Edit-Delete ] |
Thanks for sharing your opinion, but I disagree with many of your comments. Yes I am a relatively new student, I trained
about 2 years ago, I understand that things may have been different a long time ago, but if they were they are not that way anymore so I don't understand why peolple keep bringing up the same issues. :=1. I was never in a situation where I was not taught something until I made my next payment. I was even given some 5th section movements as a 3rd section, we were given new movements based on our ability and learning pace, not our wallets. :=2. I can honestly say I was never given a sales pitch at the end of a lesson. :=3. You mention National Instructors telling verifiable lies to students, I'm not sure as to what you are referring to, but I've met many of the National Instructors and never felt as if I was being lied to or misled. := The reason they have contracts is because Oom Yung Doe only wants to train serious students that will be committed to their training. There are plenty of punch and kick schools out there that you can train at for $30 a month and not have to sign a contract, if thats the kind of training someone wants they can easily go there, but if you are looking for serious and traditional martial arts training there needs to be a commitment made. I trained with students who left for various personal reasons(ie:moving, transferring to a college/job out of state, family issues etc...)and the instructors were always more than willing to sit down and discuss the situation. I think in every situation they were allowed to break contract. Oom Yung Doe has absolutely no obligation to do so under the contract, but if the situation is sincere they will not turn their backs on you. The whole thing comes down to how you handle yourself, if you storm in demanding a refund or out of the contract, honestly i wouldn't deal with you either, but if you sit down with your instructor and express sincere concerns then they will always try to help you. I know because I was in that exact situation. := I'm not sayig that you are a liar, I just didn't experience any of the things you mentioned. I trained at a Minnesota school, where did you train? Thanks again for your response. := Cathy Cathy, I trained in the Seattle area. I'm glad you didn't experience some of the things I did. I too have heard the rationale behind the long contracts, and also the denigration of other martial arts traditions (the "punch and kick school" line is prevalent in all their sales pitches). It sounds like you took those arguments to heart. Having spent much of my professional life in Sales, I know a sales pitch when I see one. I ended my OYD affiliation about 6 months ago, and have been investigating other martial arts traditions, and I'm finding that there are great schools out there, with gifted, dedicated instructors, who teach more depth, for less money, and with no draconion contracts. That being said, the differences in our experiences could also be attributed to the times we studied. When I started a year and a half ago, GM Kim and many of the higher belts started getting out of prison. About that time new seminars began to be offered that were in the 1K-2K range (when you factored in fees, equipment, followups etc). Every lesson ended with the instructors pushing the next Sae Gae Moo Do seminar. Then International training came in, and new, longer contracts, plus you had to pay the differential to get yourself switched over to the International plan. So if you were 4th section, because you were now behind a 4th section in the international program, you had to pay an additional $400 to be brought up to that level. On several occasions, I had the head instructor of my school ask me to make my monthly installment early so that he could get me into the next set of Pal Gae. No payment, no movement. When international training came out in force, the quality of instruction for the national program plummeted. for 4 months I recieved no additional sets of Pal Gae or Tai Chi Chung, even though I was praised for my obvious progress with what I had been practicing. It used to be every couple of weeks I was recieving new movement, but no more. I was pulled out of class several times to hear long pitches from regionals on why International training was so much better than the national system I was on (which when I joined up 4months prior was billed as the greatest thing since sliced bread). Every month I was asked when I would upgrade to INTL training. It got that I dreaded to meet with the head instructor/regional in the office, because I knew the high pressure pitch was coming. On the whole contract issue, What if you were in school for 6 months, and lost your job? Based on the contract, you would have no legal recourse for getting out of it. I'm glad you had flexible instructors, but if someone wants out, and determines that after 6 months the moo is not for them, why would you want to keep someone tied in, other than to bilk them for the rest of the contract. Sounds like our experiences were really different. |
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- Re: Re: Re: Re: A few thoughts about Oom Yung Doe --- ronin ® 03/23/2003, 21:37:16
- Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A few thoughts about Oom Yung Doe --- Robert Hamburger ® 03/24/2003, 09:15:22
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